The conversation began with an open question about themes and gradually moved toward the poetic texts of the corpus and the figure of Miao Shan as a symbol of awakened consciousness. The question of authorship arose: the project deliberately holds it within itself, without revealing any identity. It ended on a practical note — what non-doing is, and how it is even possible to "do by not doing" — through the image of 10 minutes without intervention. — non-doing practice anonymity · Miao Shan as symbol · the poetry of the corpus · emptiness and presence